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Episode overview
We're taking this week off from publishing new episodes, so today we're bringing you an episode from "The Argument" about one of my favorite topics: aliens. We'll be back with new episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" on Tuesday.
With the U.S. government puzzling over U.F.O.s, and potentially habitable exoplanets in our telescopes, earthlings are closer than ever to finding other intelligent life in the universe. So the existential question is: Should we try to communicate with whatever we think might be out there?
Thatâs the argument this week between Douglas Vakoch and Michio Kaku. Vakoch, the president of the research and educational nonprofit METI (Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence) International, has dedicated his lifeâs work to intentionally broadcasting messages beyond our solar system.
Kaku, a professor of theoretical physics at the City College of New York and a co-founder of string field theory, thinks reaching out to unknown aliens is a catastrophically bad idea and âwould be the biggest mistake in human history.â
Together, they join Jane to debate the question of making first contact and our place in the cosmos.
Mentioned in this episode:
Adam Mann, The New Yorker: âIntelligent Ways to Search for Extraterrestrialsâ
Gideon Lewis-Kraus, The New Yorker: âHow the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriouslyâ
Arik Kershenbaum, The Wall Street Journal, âAlien Languages May Not Be Entirely Alien to Usâ
âStar Trek: The Next Generation,â Season 4, Episode 15: âFirst Contactâ (Netflix)
The Ezra Klein Show: âObama Explains How America Went From âYes We Canâ to âMAGAââ
You can find more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein.
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âThe Ezra Klein Showâ is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and RogĂŠ Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.